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[14:33] * bossbear (~bossbear@pool-71-244-31-58.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) has joined #calculus [14:39] * NosisabKen_Kekeh (~nosisab@189.12.50.44) has joined #calculus [14:39] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> hi [14:40] <Tau> hi NosisabKen_Kekeh . [14:40] <Tau> bossbear: NosisabKen_Kekeh would enjoy a talking about your theory. [14:41] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> let that happens naturally, Tau [14:42] <Tau> NosisabKen_Kekeh: i don't have so much time. [14:42] <Tau> NosisabKen_Kekeh: i am not feeling good, really. [14:42] <Tau> i guess i am really sick. [14:42] <Tau> the worse isn't it, i got wearied to fight. [14:43] <Tau> i will not struggle against it anymore. [14:43] <Tau> i just hurt myself. [14:43] <bossbear> hi [14:43] <bossbear> \i'm here [14:43] <Tau> hi bossbear . [14:43] <bossbear> hi [14:43] <bossbear> whats new? [14:44] <bossbear> http://www.worldsci.org/pdf/ebooks/TransDimensionalUnifiedFieldTheory8.09.pdf [14:45] <bossbear> thank you tau [14:45] <Tau> NosisabKen_Kekeh: you know what to do. [14:45] <Tau> bossbear: sure. [14:45] <bossbear> so hi kek [14:45] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> getting the PDF just now [14:45] <bossbear> you are welcome to ask anything [14:45] <bossbear> thats just for convenince later [14:49] <bossbear> its actually 321 pages [14:49] <bossbear> i added more today, but not posted there [14:49] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> We have some divergent view points and some common ground I see [14:50] * W_4RL0CK (~w4rl0ck@189.74.173.13) has joined #calculus [14:51] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> the first and possible the greater divergence is about the big bang, I see it as an unilateral projection of a dual faced, intervalar process [14:52] * bossbear (~bossbear@pool-71-244-31-58.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) Quit ( Read error: Connection reset by peer ) [14:53] * bossbear (~bossbear@pool-71-244-31-58.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) has joined #calculus [14:54] <Tau> bossbear: hi. [14:54] <Tau> bossbear: how do you explain the arising of the universe ? [14:54] <bossbear> hi [14:54] <Tau> from the begin. [14:54] <bossbear> im back [14:54] <bossbear> the bigg bang [14:54] <bossbear> its really the universe induced [14:54] <bossbear> E=(i*pi) = -1 = Time * velocity [14:54] <Tau> bossbear: try to make me figure out it. [14:54] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> albeit off a schedule of exhibition I think the universe as localized collapses of an entire sector of something I call fabric to keep the original concept [14:54] <bossbear> the universe is induced from the outsdide [14:55] <bossbear> eulers equation is the big bang [14:55] <bossbear> -1 represents D [14:55] <bossbear> in 1 is all diversity [14:55] <bossbear> from the following equations all is derived [14:55] <Tau> NosisabKen_Kekeh: does the fabric create the matter by colapsing the vague space ? [14:55] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> one could think it as the fundamental collapsing, an analogy with the gravitational collapse [14:56] <bossbear> phi + phihat = 1 = time + velocity and phi * phihat = -1 = time * velocity [14:56] <bossbear> space is a matrix [14:56] * W_4RL0CK (~w4rl0ck@189.74.173.13) Quit ( Quit: Saindo ) [14:56] <bossbear> of superstrings [14:56] <bossbear> the matrix is like a matrix oif waves [14:56] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> that's not the schedule I dreamed to expose but one could think the fabric as the 'lost universal ether' [14:56] <bossbear> where the matrix has nodes or intereference you get a particle [14:57] <bossbear> the idea of nothng is a myth [14:57] <bossbear> inertial fields are localized [14:57] <bossbear> in proprtion to cncentrated atomic centers [14:57] <bossbear> E = mc^2 is D^5 = mc^2 [14:58] <bossbear> calculate d or radius of the inertial field [14:58] <Tau> bossbear: [14:58] <bossbear> mass has to be adjusted to be both core mass and intertial field [14:58] <bossbear> yes? [14:58] <Tau> bossbear: try to expose by using philosophical concepts i am not figuring out what those formules mean. [14:58] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> yes, it's just the point [14:58] <bossbear> ok [14:59] <bossbear> The First Cause or Creator [14:59] <bossbear> The natural universe, where processes are emergent, can all be explained by math, with implications far beyond physics. The universe also shows a principle of entanglement and dependence of the numerous parts and not one part cannot exist without the other either directly or through transformation. By principle of symmetry the entire universe is dependent on something from the outside. In... [14:59] <bossbear> ...addition to the natural machine of the universe, there is also the anomalous and free will of living forms which is only possible by transcendence. By principle of symmetry, if my consciousness requires a consciousness to receive my actions, then too the natural universe is alive and a form of consciousness. All consciousness proceeds by act of a living will. The action that caused the... [14:59] <bossbear> ...diversification of unity, from simplicity to diversity (the is in in all and the all in 1 represents entanglement) can be in a multitude of form, Selection of an option that results in the mathematical structure particular to this universe requires an intelligent being. The first cause is referred to as the Creator, and the entire math and creations refer to the nature of the origin and... [14:59] <bossbear> ...hence is the concept of created referring to the source as an analogy of truth. We as intelligent beings spend much time on the equality of all beings to negate the concept of first cause, but in truth the entire universe is hierarchy and the equality we allude to is only by position and similarity to surrounding. There is both equality, and hierarch, and hierarchy requires a first cause.... [14:59] <bossbear> ...If the universe represents a form of math, the idea of math requires a first cause, and the idea being associated with a form of consciousness. [14:59] <bossbear> The processes of the universe are described by math. Hence nothing is random. It is incorrect to use statistics in creating models for physics. Statistic deals with the randomness only found in the free will of living conscious beings. And that we said the universe is a form of consciousness, the natural order has been fixed by universal laws allow a backdrop of constancy that allows free... [14:59] <bossbear> ...will to participate. These constancies also refer to constancies about the nature of matrix truths through all realities, and hence are an analogy of those truths by constancies that exist. Hence constancy also alludes to constancies regarding the nature of matrix and its actions and modes of operation and behavior. [14:59] <bossbear> Entanglement is the same as dependence on numerous parts. Where one variable, component, or equation does not exist without the other, the impact on one is simultaneously an impact on another. [14:59] <bossbear> With the principle of symmetry the nature of the action is within the nature of the result, which includes dependence, even in the existence of the universe from something outside. We cannot love unless the universe has the same. An object cannot pull by gravity if the participant object does not have the same. [14:59] <bossbear> There is nothing random in the "natural" universe, 1000 equations running simultaneously have the illusion of freedom or random and all can be explained by mathematical equations. When it comes to human behavior and those of other life forms, then there is random activity. When one set of mathematical operators is foreign to those existing, then you can have random or free will. Hence free... [14:59] <bossbear> ...will is transcendent and there can be no free will without transcendence. [14:59] <bossbear> Consciousness includes the capacity to choose and does include free will, thought, and awareness. Any being that has life or living is a being, a form of consciousness. [14:59] <bossbear> The big bang is not the first cause, but the result of it. Here Euler's equation [14:59] <bossbear> E (i*pi) = -1 = Time * Velocity [14:59] <bossbear> is used to define the Big Bang, and by it implies the universe is induced from outside. And if the universe is a form of consciousness, then that supports other arguments from its origin from the outside, and also for the consciousness of all living beings. [14:59] <bossbear> Well, I would assume that in a mathematical model for behavior, we use statistics, and any such model uses the option to defer, and a wide distribution of mathematical outcomes. So then in a sense, such a math allows for transformation of itself and its environment which is not found in planetary motion. Now a roll of the dice is not random in the manner I am speaking. The natural universe... [14:59] <bossbear> ...is a machine in the sense of being represented with equations without exceptions. Behavior on the other hand is the option to select equations, programs that change itself and the environment without being just a program. The dice is emergent, the person throwing is transcendent and free willed, and the dice is not random of its own accord. [14:59] <bossbear> In living being, I include any form of life and all cells. We can debate whether that has attachment to a central nervous system. But there are no emergent processes in the �natural� universe that show the beginning of life. There is an argument that it can be achieved in a lab, but already that is intelligent design if in a lab. [14:59] <bossbear> Free will excludes prediction, but includes uncertainty, which is common in physics, however there its question of using proper (multiplicative) mathematical form to solve uncertainties. Heisenberg says you cannot know both the momentum and position of a particle, but then he uses proper (multiplication form) to solve a scalar problem (additive as a quadratic or polynomial equation). That�s... [14:59] <bossbear> ...a wrong philosophical use of math. [14:59] <bossbear> Ultimately, what came first the chicken or the egg, what is outside of outside? The first cause means that in 1 all diversity emerged. From awareness emerged thought and free will and all the diversity of the universe. In order to love or express free will, God created, and what was created had the capacity to love back. This is the principle of symmetry evident in all math and carries the... [14:59] <bossbear> ...equal �=� sign. In all this are symmetry and hierarchy where symmetry, is part of the very nature of the first cause and is essentially represented in math. [15:00] <Tau> bossbear: sure. i am reading, you just keep there. [15:00] <Tau> since when i finish i will ask to you some things. [15:00] <bossbear> there is an error [15:00] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> the problem is the big bang supposes a matter it can't explain [15:01] <bossbear> i said the 1 is in the all and all in the 1 [15:01] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> while what is being proposed creates not only the matter as it binds it to the energy [15:01] <bossbear> a matter [15:01] <bossbear> ? [15:01] <bossbear> the whole univwerse has no energy [15:01] <bossbear> its a dream in the ind of god [15:01] <bossbear> from the outside its a constant [15:01] <bossbear> like things outside are constants here [15:02] <bossbear> even like an idea in your head [15:02] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> I'll need to listen more to understand this concept [15:02] <bossbear> its like a dream [15:03] <bossbear> a receded form of cociousness, but with order [15:03] <bossbear> when you wake up from sleep, you dream has no energy either [15:03] <bossbear> but its so real, and there are laws, that it carries the full wait of energy to you [15:04] <Tau> bossbear: what can you deduce from using your conception of arising of universe ? [15:04] <Tau> so, what is it fixed in ? [15:05] <bossbear> well, is philosoiphy its directly a thought [15:05] <bossbear> in' [15:05] <bossbear> the constancy is a matter of choice from the first cause or creator [15:05] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> I invite everyone to let aside the idea of infinite as something far away and think it as the whole, that permeates and circundates everything... more, it can't be dissociated of the 'other' infinite that forms a field of all possibilities, the absolut multiplicity, what repeats for all the infinite, both never touch one the other but forms all the interval everything is possible [15:05] <bossbear> constancy reveals the nature of character of the first cause [15:05] <bossbear> everything is infnte [15:05] <bossbear> but to have form [15:06] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> without it I can't hope to expose something not big bang [15:06] <bossbear> certian aspects are qualified [15:06] <bossbear> the relationship of three results in form [15:06] <bossbear> the prime numbers are benchmarks that keep the drream in order [15:06] <Tau> for me the universe is just made by a sole unit. [15:06] <bossbear> and is a backdrop for free will [15:07] <bossbear> there is no free will without transcedence [15:07] <Tau> it is and was in eternal moviment. [15:07] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> It's proposed the formant duality, bossbear, the concept of interval as universal [15:07] <Tau> movement. [15:07] <bossbear> the natural universe has no randoimeness, all is equation [15:07] <bossbear> duality has its place, but largely in human use its a myth [15:07] <bossbear> a psycological aspect of perception [15:08] <Tau> i would enjoy to know how your minds work. [15:08] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> you would find more easy to get the preon theory and superstrings... both and each representing one face of the same coin [15:08] <bossbear> i use superstrigs to mean the construct of the eather [15:09] <Tau> the punched coin. [15:09] <bossbear> the three primart are time, velocity and distance [15:09] <bossbear> if tyou tale a sphere and call it D [15:09] <bossbear> inside d are 2 networks [15:09] <Tau> bossbear: try to relate distance and movement without time. [15:09] <bossbear> t and v, negatives of each other [15:10] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> that's de divergent point, I hold it derivates from the 'vacuum' the "original space" collapsing on fundamental points [15:10] <bossbear> you cannot relate distance without tiume [15:10] <Tau> bossbear: yes. we don't know a way. [15:10] <Tau> bossbear: but is there a way ? [15:10] <bossbear> no [15:10] <bossbear> exceopt [15:10] <Tau> bossbear: but how to prove it ? [15:10] <bossbear> \time is a reverse network of 1 and 0 [15:10] <bossbear> to veloicity [15:10] <bossbear> and together they are d [15:10] <bossbear> the nature of creation [15:10] <bossbear> is in the netowrks that created d, t and v [15:11] <bossbear> of 1 and 0 [15:11] <bossbear> so then [15:11] <bossbear> you can have almost any type of creation [15:11] <bossbear> by the subdivion of 11 [15:11] <bossbear> of 1 [15:11] <bossbear> which is d [15:11] <bossbear> which is an anaolgy of god [15:11] <bossbear> where in unity all thigs exist [15:12] <bossbear> as a binary code [15:12] <bossbear> in infite dimensions [15:12] <bossbear> from subdivision and simpolicty arrises all complexoity [15:12] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> bossbear, you are not giving a chance to place that theory under a more complete setup [15:12] <bossbear> i have amny inroads to explain it [15:13] <bossbear> \many [15:13] <bossbear> the quations is where to start [15:13] <bossbear> since it covers many things [15:13] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> if your theory holds it fits in that duality, if not something on any the two must be reviewed [15:13] <bossbear> two equations can be used to derive all [15:13] <bossbear> T+v=1 and T*v = -1 [15:14] <bossbear> the additive are the quadratic and polynomial [15:14] <bossbear> sclalr [15:14] <bossbear> the * are the proper like e=mc^2 [15:14] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> observe everything you did tell holds yet, the space-time is known, it's an interval [15:14] <bossbear> there is no uncertainty [15:14] <bossbear> heiseneberg used a proper for (*) to try to solve a sclalar problem (+) [15:15] <bossbear> form [15:15] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> the electric and magnetic fields are intervals [15:15] <bossbear> incorrect [15:15] <bossbear> one diploe form generates another [15:15] <bossbear> all particles are diploes [15:15] <bossbear> and resulting fields [15:15] <bossbear> generate partivles [15:16] <bossbear> the state of partilcles is trans dimensional [15:16] <bossbear> meaning [15:16] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> still, remove one pole and the field collapses [15:16] <bossbear> they exist at different densities [15:16] <bossbear> yes [15:16] <bossbear> but the universe has order [15:16] <bossbear> and so one relation goes to another [15:16] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> because the field itself is the interval [15:16] <bossbear> one dimenion transfoirmed to another [15:16] <bossbear> the fild is the reality [15:17] <bossbear> the particle is the shadopw [15:17] <bossbear> shadow [15:17] <bossbear> you see the negative of the universe [15:17] <bossbear> space is all light [15:17] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> well, I can't dissociate particle from energy [15:17] <Tau> i guess [15:17] <Tau> i will die [15:17] <Tau> my head is paining very much. [15:17] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> they are formed in pairs [15:17] <bossbear> well, they are related yes [15:17] <Tau> i feel pangs [15:17] <Tau> there. [15:18] <bossbear> so then every planet generates an inertial field [15:18] <bossbear> the pspace of outer space is localized [15:18] <bossbear> the space of the sun goes past neptune [15:18] <bossbear> its a sphere [15:18] <bossbear> the velocity of the natrix gnerates a spherical wave [15:18] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> how can we think so equal and so different? [15:19] <bossbear> when it returns it creates a standing wave [15:19] <bossbear> like a gyroscpoe that olds the planets [15:19] <bossbear> in the elciptic [15:19] <bossbear> sma e for the center of the galaxy [15:20] <bossbear> D in D^5 = mc^2 is the radius of the inertial field [15:20] <bossbear> you can simplify newtoin to [15:20] <bossbear> F = volume1 vlume2/R^2 [15:20] <bossbear> where volume is the volume of the inertial field [15:20] <bossbear> G is a variable [15:20] <bossbear> that exists [15:20] <bossbear> because you discount the inertial field [15:20] <bossbear> so its an approxiumate nuoit [15:21] <bossbear> G - 1/ Density1 * density2 = !/ T^4 [15:21] <bossbear> = [15:21] <bossbear> that incirporated to the gravity equation results in vilume [15:21] <bossbear> volume is also voltage [15:21] <bossbear> sice grav force is positive [15:21] <bossbear> increase in viltage with increase in current [15:22] <bossbear> electricity has a - atribute [15:22] <bossbear> so incrreAse in current derease in viltage [15:22] <bossbear> opposte [15:22] <bossbear> rememebr time = Veliocity =-D [15:22] <bossbear> -D [15:22] <bossbear> the - in D^4 -= foprce is posiotive [15:22] <bossbear> all force is D^4 [15:23] <bossbear> maegnetism and elelctricity carry a - attribute in dimensional space [15:23] <bossbear> thats why voltages of the sun and mars, thrown together gets a larger velocity in the current of the inertial field [15:23] <bossbear> larger mass [15:24] <bossbear> and you can transdimensionally revise all the quntum equations [15:24] <bossbear> because you only need three units now [15:24] <bossbear> and that makes finding relationships easier [15:24] <bossbear> :)_ [15:24] <bossbear> anything else? [15:24] <bossbear> by the way [15:24] <bossbear> density = time^2 [15:25] <bossbear> thats why you have time variances away from the grav field [15:25] <bossbear> grav field density [15:25] <bossbear> or aether [15:26] <bossbear> in;roper form the systems are acting as one [15:26] <bossbear> i n sclalar they obsever is in his own field [15:26] <bossbear> so you can make an arguement [15:26] <bossbear> mass increases with velocity or decreases [15:26] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> that aether is all inside the matter now, where it was is the big well that interact with others wells [15:26] <bossbear> depending if its proper or sclalr [15:27] <bossbear> well, its within and wothout [15:27] <bossbear> its a transdimensional transotio of aether from dimeions 23 to 1 [15:27] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> there is no original aether in the universal space anymore, maybe traces [15:27] <bossbear> the atom is the perfect model [15:27] <bossbear> at center is a black hole [15:28] <bossbear> the aether unfilds like an accordion [15:28] <bossbear> and extends byoing the visible system [15:29] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> I know the big band is convenient concept, one already has the matter to start with... [15:30] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> but that model fails in several instances [15:31] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> I wish to give you the fundamental particle and the fundamental force [15:32] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> with which all the structure from the preons to black holes can be mounted [15:33] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> always governed by the force is generated together (genesis tense) [15:33] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> I propose no bang is needed, the infinite itself grows [15:34] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> and drags the whole universe together [15:34] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> your theory still holds there [15:34] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> it must [15:34] <Tau> we have a conception of space cause we are surrounded by it. [15:36] <Tau> i invite you to think beyond we can imagine and then wonder whether it is possible to not hold the concepts of space there. [15:36] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> the gross analogy is the letter soup, tau... where the letters agglutinate more and more and doing so comprees gravitically more and more, expanding yet more the bords [15:37] <Tau> maybe our universe is limited in terms of space, NosisabKen_Kekeh. it holds for the idea of a fabric existing out the universe. [15:37] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> it's a process in course as yourseld stated, bossbear ... the concentration is yet in course and with it the corresponding expansion [15:38] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> just i'ts not needed anymore any initial mater matter, only the fabric's space [15:39] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> a less sutil than the vacuun still more than any matter in the universe [15:39] <Tau> realize existing a part of the all like not sustaining the universe. [15:40] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> the vaccum itself is that fabric's not 'empty' space collapsing in an analogy with massive gravitational collapse [15:41] <Tau> the vaccum physically i believe to not exist. [15:41] <Tau> it is just a perfect conception lying in our world of ideas. [15:41] <Tau> from plato. [15:41] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> but it's nature is different, matter and energy are born in pairs and with it you get the velocity as the holder of the space-time as you already got [15:42] <Tau> same if you were able to remove all the atoms of a given space you wouldn't have the vacuum properly defined. [15:42] <Tau> however i am just beting on it. [15:42] <Tau> raving to be sincere. [15:43] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> I could not define the fabric's nature, tau, but certainly it's not atoms like we know it in the universe [15:44] <Tau> indeed, NosisabKen_Kekeh . [15:44] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> atoms are posteriori, before it we had to have preons and quarks and particles [15:44] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> and with them the forces and there is no reason to think only 3 or four dimensions [15:45] <Tau> NosisabKen_Kekeh: do you believe in soul ? [15:45] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> like I said in the beginning, it's not how I'd schedule the exposition [15:45] <Tau> do you believe your consciousness is going to exist same when your body gets dead ? [15:46] <Tau> and u SailorReality [15:46] <Tau> and u bossbear [15:46] <bossbear> yes [15:46] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> to understand that one need to understand the zero and infinite can't be dissociated without destroing the nature of finites [15:46] <bossbear> free will is transcedent [15:47] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> finites can happen only in the center of the interval between the infinity [15:47] <Tau> NosisabKen_Kekeh: yes. [15:47] <Tau> NosisabKen_Kekeh: i have created a way to explain that. [15:47] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> infinity can't be a point por a border far away anymore, it is the whole, the UNO, it permeates and is all the place [15:48] <Tau> but i didn't know how to make the function that make '0 different from x and +oo'. [15:48] <Tau> i named the set of M. [15:48] <Tau> from miles. [15:48] <Tau> NosisabKen_Kekeh: can i show you what is it ? [15:49] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> the zero is not a point too, it's a field of all elemental zeroes and actually I relute calling it because it tends to cofound it with the point it creates in colaboration with the infinite [15:49] <Tau> just to word the concepts and facilitate when treating ur ideas, NosisabKen_Kekeh . [15:49] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> if you think you can explain what I'm saying, just until now you didn't show you understood it [15:50] <bossbear> no, there is a model which soews the vacuum to be real [15:50] <bossbear> if you take the idea of a vacuum and within it introduce a sphercal wave [15:50] <bossbear> you end up with a spanding wave like a gyrioscpoe [15:50] <bossbear> if you take distance d [15:51] <bossbear> its the exit of the silar sytem [15:51] <bossbear> just about where the pioneer anomaly happened [15:51] <bossbear> where gravity went to 1/R [15:51] <bossbear> 1/R^2 is only in the solar system [15:51] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> the vaccum is a necessity in that model, bossbear, and it is a well, a very 'tense' wirlpool [15:51] <bossbear> we are in a fish pond [15:52] <bossbear> guppies swimming around with limited expeiences [15:52] <bossbear> we know onylwhat we nmeasure [15:52] * bossbear (~bossbear@pool-71-244-31-58.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) Quit ( Read error: Connection reset by peer ) [15:56] * bossbear (~bossbear@pool-71-244-31-58.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) has joined #calculus [15:56] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> since the (fabric's) space is being compressed in a point where it was is now vacuum and the concentrarion varies with the distance, just apply your formulas. [15:56] <bossbear> hi [15:56] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> what you gained is that concentrated space [15:57] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> you don't need original matter anymore, it's created in the same process that creates the energy [15:58] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> and when that 'now' universal matter agglutinate with the neighbors you get the space-time [15:58] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> and with it the own space and time [16:01] <bossbear> yes [16:01] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> still I hold it was not the time to introduce that concept [16:01] <bossbear> everything is made from t and v [16:01] <bossbear> in various combinations [16:02] <bossbear> so when eaistein said [16:02] <bossbear> for e = mc62 [16:03] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> Id rather talk about how the two infinity interacts as their interval to create the finite, the unities, and with it the value, dimension, length or quantity (quantum) [16:03] <bossbear> he said mass and energy are related by "something" [16:03] <bossbear> that something is time and velocity [16:03] <bossbear> well, [16:04] <bossbear> time being phihat andveloicty being phi are cobinations of ininite numbers [16:04] <bossbear> that together take form as 1 [16:04] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> yes, the velocity is the holder of the macro cosm [16:04] <bossbear> d, t, and v [16:04] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> cosmos [16:04] <bossbear> so in the relationship of three the infnite is qualified [16:05] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> in quantic level the changes are by jumps [16:05] <bossbear> there are trandimensional transitiuons a;so [16:05] <bossbear> the connection to the infnite is all all points of space and every dimension [16:05] <bossbear> the dream within a dream [16:05] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> energy is accumulated or released until the treshold is reached [16:06] <bossbear> the thresholds are prime numbers and other constants [16:06] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> Id like you to think all possible finites as unities in the center of infinity interval, the only place it is possible [16:07] <bossbear> there are unities at the center of all matrix interferernces or nodes [16:07] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> that interval is always of superior dimensional order anything can exist in the universe [16:07] <bossbear> black holes [16:08] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> I invite you to think the infinite as permeating and surrounding the entire universe [16:08] <bossbear> it is [16:08] <bossbear> i agree [16:08] <bossbear> its apriori [16:08] <bossbear> the universe is a trnasition [16:08] <bossbear> transition [16:09] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> and the zeroes (an absolute multiplicity) is the other infinity [16:09] <bossbear> o is unity [16:09] <bossbear> also c [16:09] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> they must be taken together, only their interval has meaning to us [16:09] <bossbear> and 1 is balance [16:09] <bossbear> all with 0 and 1 [16:09] <bossbear> binary hologram [16:10] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> you got it, any value is an unity in that interval, mathematically there is the seed of that concept stated as any base elevated to 0 is the unity [16:12] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> once that concept of two infinites that permeates everything withou touch anything is understood, I can go ahead and talk about the infinites itself expanding (if one prefer he can think the zero as shrinking) [16:13] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> but I must tell again, using the word zero can lead to mistakes like confounding it with the point it creates in the interval, or the void or the origin in a rule or abscense of something [16:14] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> so, with the risk of looking mystic... one could think them as the yin-yang :) [16:14] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> or give any name deems fit [16:15] ->> Attempting to join #CRYPTO [16:15] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> because neither the infinite or any representative of zero can be found in the universe... only the interval has meaning to us [16:16] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> with the expanding infinity, we avoid them being static and the problems that creates [16:16] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> as a byproduct we gain the ability to explain the hyperreal [16:18] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> that concept is needed, bossbear, because I propose the end of the big bang, it's not needed to explain the universal expansion [16:18] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> once we can determine the infinite itself expands [16:20] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> in a static infinity must exist a number that is greater than any other and smaller than infinite and a number that is smaller than any other and greater than zero and a real that is nearest other real than any other real [16:20] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> it negates the own infinitude [16:21] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> to be infinite something can't be reached [16:22] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> to it it need to advance so it can't be reached not even in an infinite time [16:23] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> and better yet, it does not need anymore the infinite being so from the fabric's view point, to it the entire universe is 'indeed' an expanding bubble [16:25] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> what leads to a axiom I'll not try to prove now: The universe is infinite for everything it contain and is finite for what contain it. [16:25] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> a second axiom: any subspace of the infinity is infinity itself (that will prove very useful ahead) [16:26] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> but it's late here, almost 3 PM and I'm a bit tired, I will only ready from now on [16:27] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> ooops, read I meant [16:29] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> who saw how the hyperreal comes naturally from an expanding ifinite interval? [16:29] <bossbear> well, nice chat, but i have to retire folks [16:29] <bossbear> i'll be here toimorrow [16:30] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> that I propose fits in anything I tested until now [16:30] <bossbear> you can find m=e in the comic section of the newpaper [16:30] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> actually it turn all theories easier [16:30] <bossbear> yes i agree with most of iut' [16:31] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> it gives the 'two' faces of the coin in the form of intervals [16:31] <bossbear> yes [16:32] <bossbear> sleep well [16:32] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> and better, it's known for centuries, just a bit forgotten [16:32] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> bye, see you latter [16:32] * bossbear (~bossbear@pool-71-244-31-58.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) Quit ( Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.8/20100722155716] ) [16:40] <Tau> i will have to sleep, NosisabKen_Kekeh . [16:55] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> later [16:55] * NosisabKen_Kekeh (~nosisab@189.12.50.44) has left #calculus [16:57] * NosisabKen_Kekeh (~Nosisab@189.12.50.44) has joined #calculus [16:58] * NosisabKen_Kekeh (~Nosisab@189.12.50.44) Quit ( Client Quit ) [16:58] * Miles_Teg (~Nosisab@189.12.50.44) has joined #calculus [16:59] * pedro3005 (~pedro@unaffiliated/pedro3005) Quit ( Ping timeout: 245 seconds ) [17:00] * Miles_Teg (~Nosisab@189.12.50.44) has left #calculus [17:22] * Tau (~afsdf@189-127-56-211.i-next.psi.br) Quit ( Quit: leaving ) [18:31] * Cthulhu (~Allan@unaffiliated/cthulhu) has joined #calculus [18:46] * Cthulhu (~Allan@unaffiliated/cthulhu) has left #calculus ("Leaving") [21:15] * bossbear (~bossbear@pool-71-244-31-58.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) has joined #calculus [21:16] <bossbear> greetings [21:52] * bossbear (~bossbear@pool-71-244-31-58.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) Quit ( Read error: Connection reset by peer ) [21:53] * bossbear (~bossbear@pool-71-244-31-58.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) has joined #calculus [22:16] * Miles_Teg (~Nosisab@189.12.50.44) has joined #calculus [22:17] <Miles_Teg> hi [22:27] <bossbear> hi [22:27] <Miles_Teg> bossbear, In the introduction, the 6th rule: Space and matter are symbiotic, additive and stabkem where one cohexist with the other... [22:28] <bossbear> true [22:28] <bossbear> they are the same [22:28] <bossbear> inlt arranged differently [22:28] <bossbear> only [22:28] <bossbear> itd all space [22:29] <Miles_Teg> I propose they are seen as twin, complementar and one is sine quae non to the other [22:29] <bossbear> space is a matrix made of d, t and v superstrings [22:29] <bossbear> and particles are the inewrference nodes [22:32] <Miles_Teg> it holds the space is the well, the wirpool where the original constituting was 'sucked' by the 'matter' at this stage they could be suspiciously looked upon as the preon principle and the superstring [22:33] <bossbear> ok [22:35] <Miles_Teg> this is a model that allows the fractal assembly from the fundamentals to the more complex cosmic body [22:35] <bossbear> ok [22:35] <bossbear> you have equations? [22:35] <Miles_Teg> include yours there [22:36] <Miles_Teg> include every known one there [22:36] <bossbear> ok [22:36] <bossbear> D^5 = mc^2 [22:39] <Miles_Teg> that describes the center of the pool [22:39] <bossbear> it describes the field generated by the center [22:39] <Miles_Teg> matter itself as the m suggest, and tells something about the speed it occurs [22:39] <bossbear> ir the limit [22:39] <Miles_Teg> yes, we came to the same conclusion, see? [22:40] <bossbear> true [22:40] <Miles_Teg> what get's to that center? in the genesis instant? [22:41] <bossbear> the center is a black hole [22:41] <bossbear> the qualifiactio nof infnity at every particle center [22:42] <Miles_Teg> since it's a 'fractal' process of sorts... but I was thinking about the matter and energy creation, themselves [22:43] <Miles_Teg> although as yourself I tend to avoid the term energy at this point even matter [22:43] <Miles_Teg> black holes is only much later [22:44] <Miles_Teg> in the first stage the fabric is in a relative resting state [22:46] <bossbear> think this way [22:46] <Miles_Teg> I can't tell the nature, consistence or origin of this fabric [22:46] <bossbear> there is only time dimension, and velocity [22:46] <bossbear> think further only time and velocity are a partcle [22:46] <bossbear> quatum superstring [22:47] <bossbear> noe i combine three d and 2 T and thats what we call mass [22:47] <bossbear> or 5 t and 5 v and thats what we call energy [22:48] <Miles_Teg> I can't, I don't have the space and time yet neither matter or energy [22:48] <bossbear> the properties arfe by the arrangement of space [22:48] <Miles_Teg> I need them to be born at this point [22:48] <bossbear> born? [22:48] <Miles_Teg> is this the proposition [22:49] <bossbear> like the big bang? [22:49] <bossbear> they are induced from outside the universe [22:49] <Miles_Teg> I can't rely on something to boom [22:50] <Miles_Teg> how could be it be other than a cyclying universe, and if so, how the first instance? [22:50] ->> Attempting to join #icechat [22:50] <Miles_Teg> I need the matter to 'be born' [22:51] <Miles_Teg> I can't have it without energy being born together, you can call it force [22:51] <bossbear> its born in E (i*pi) = -1 = time * velocity [22:51] <bossbear> that is the birth of energy [22:52] <bossbear> or [22:52] <SailorReality> $logdir [22:52] <SailorReality> whoops [22:52] <Miles_Teg> lets assume it, and it shall relate with D^5 to hold [22:52] <bossbear> E ^(I*pi) + (Time + velocity) = 0 [22:52] <Miles_Teg> that 'energy' is the well [22:52] * bossbear (~bossbear@pool-71-244-31-58.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) Quit ( Read error: Connection reset by peer ) [22:53] ->> $logdir :Unknown command [22:53] * bossbear (~bossbear@pool-71-244-31-58.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) has joined #calculus [22:53] <Miles_Teg> that 'energy' is the well [22:54] <Miles_Teg> it's 'our' space itself (or described by and describes it) [22:54] <bossbear> E^ (i*pi) = -1 = time * velocity [22:54] <bossbear> the well is this equation then [22:54] <bossbear> what you call a well i call a sophere [22:54] <Miles_Teg> it's the wirlpool, [22:54] <bossbear> but if it ritates [22:54] <bossbear> or spins [22:54] <bossbear> then the effect is a torroid [22:54] <bossbear> like a well [22:54] <bossbear> its a dipole [22:55] <bossbear> and induces other forms [22:55] <Miles_Teg> the 'geometrical' figure I propose for analogy is that of the gravitational collapse [22:55] <bossbear> but within the sphere coud be a well [22:55] <bossbear> gravity is 4 dimensional [22:56] <bossbear> there is none at D61 [22:56] <bossbear> D^1 [22:56] <bossbear> so if tyhats what you mean by collapse, then yes [22:56] <bossbear> well, force is 4 dimnaional [22:56] <bossbear> gravity is 10 and 20 [22:57] <Miles_Teg> the entire thing must be built, bossbear [22:57] <bossbear> i habe all the dtrucure equations [22:58] <Miles_Teg> you are describing the built unverse [22:58] <bossbear> its was induced in its enirety [22:58] <Miles_Teg> it must hold indeed [22:58] <bossbear> like a thought [22:58] <bossbear> boom [22:58] <bossbear> like when you have a thought [22:58] <bossbear> does it grow? [22:58] <bossbear> no [22:58] <Miles_Teg> boom of what? [22:58] <bossbear> thought [22:58] <bossbear> with an order [22:59] <bossbear> from the ouside you hthought has no energy [22:59] <bossbear> when you fream it does [22:59] <bossbear> dream [22:59] <Miles_Teg> I need only the soup [22:59] <bossbear> all poiunts of space are the origin [22:59] <bossbear> soup? [22:59] <bossbear> like what makes everything? [23:00] <Miles_Teg> that seems unavoidable, the fabric is explicity or implicity in all and every cosmogony [23:00] <bossbear> the energuy that makes all thngs is 1-0 [23:00] <Miles_Teg> you can think the fabric as the aether [23:00] <bossbear> arranged in various forms [23:01] <bossbear> the binary code of 1-0 always results in 1 [23:01] <bossbear> but the arrangement produces time and velocity [23:01] <bossbear> wihin 1 or d [23:01] <bossbear> imagine a sphere [23:01] <Miles_Teg> U don't dare to tell it openly and surely can't test or prove it at this point but the model does not only allows as claims our universe is only one of many bubbles there [23:01] <bossbear> contaning two spheres or networkls of 1-0 [23:02] <Miles_Teg> sorry, I menat I, not U above [23:02] <bossbear> none have ever said what eulers equatin is, i say its the big bang with mathmeatical justification [23:03] <bossbear> the 1 is d [23:03] <bossbear> -1 is -d [23:03] <bossbear> in d is t and v [23:03] <bossbear> and 1 and zero being the limiits is a binary code [23:03] <bossbear> so there musdt be two networks that are revese imade in d [23:04] <Miles_Teg> the reason the interval model (the formant duals concept) was thinked just because I could not accept the boom [23:04] <bossbear> well then its correct [23:04] <bossbear> no boom [23:04] <Miles_Teg> I don't see monads in the entire universe, only intervals [23:04] <bossbear> just an interval from outside to indsdie [23:04] <bossbear> the interval is "=" [23:05] <Miles_Teg> I see all the focus as products of the interval [23:05] <bossbear> tranfirmation in eulers equation [23:05] <bossbear> the interval is symmetry [23:05] <bossbear> makes ense? [23:06] <Miles_Teg> I'm not sure to have gropped the meaning yet [23:06] <bossbear> when you see an equation [23:06] <bossbear> everything means something [23:06] <Miles_Teg> I can't allow equations at this point in my reasoning [23:06] <bossbear> the = means symmetry [23:07] <bossbear> the 1 means balance [23:07] <bossbear> 0 means unity [23:07] <bossbear> you say thre is no boom, you are right [23:07] <Miles_Teg> they could not hold, the dimensions are yet to be born, the discretes are yet to be born [23:07] <bossbear> like a magnetic field, the universe was induced [23:07] <Miles_Teg> the finite, the quantum, I mean by discrete [19:07] <bossbear> they are born outside the uniuverse [19:07] <bossbear> operaots ouside interat to induce the discrete here [19:07] <bossbear> operators [19:07] <bossbear> pi is a variable outside the universe [19:07] <bossbear> and induces the discrete here [19:08] <bossbear> induce 1 or d [19:08] <bossbear> thats the birth [19:08] <bossbear> eulers equation [19:08] <Miles_Teg> I propose they are the 'center' of the interval, it's always, the value dictated by the speed it happens [19:08] <Miles_Teg> they are unities there [19:08] <bossbear> the interval or = is 0 [19:09] <bossbear> or 1 [19:09] <bossbear> no speed [19:09] <bossbear> point of transformation [19:09] <Miles_Teg> the interval by definition is what is between the 0 and infinite [19:09] <bossbear> speed is on the birth side [19:09] <Miles_Teg> that's how I see it [19:09] <bossbear> yes [19:10] <bossbear> zero and 1 [19:10] <bossbear> but to the outside the infnite [19:10] <bossbear> correct [19:10] <Miles_Teg> the unity is it's center, always, the unity does not need to be the natural 1 [19:10] <bossbear> unity is the perimeter [19:10] <bossbear> 1 is the center [19:10] <Miles_Teg> indeed no discrete exist before so it can be collected, form sets or be added [19:11] <bossbear> we are very similar then [19:11] <bossbear> just off in semantics [19:12] <Miles_Teg> before I can measure in lenght and time I need distance and time to be born [19:12] <bossbear> yes [19:12] <Miles_Teg> only after that I can have quantum [19:12] <bossbear> in eulers equation [19:12] <bossbear> the -1 is distance and time [19:12] <bossbear> true [19:13] <Miles_Teg> velocity holds in that model as definition of the values discretes get [19:14] <Miles_Teg> it allows for any number of dimensions include none [19:14] <Miles_Teg> including none I meant [19:15] <Miles_Teg> none being scalar, non dimensional, perfectly ordinary numbers [19:15] <Miles_Teg> but it must hold for dimensional (vectorized) quantities too [19:15] <Miles_Teg> if not, the building is wrong [19:16] <bossbear> there are 2 equations [19:16] <bossbear> v+t = 1 is sclalar [19:16] <bossbear> V*t = -1 is proper [19:16] <bossbear> thise from eulers equation derive all equations [19:17] <bossbear> which relates to phi * phihat and phi + phihat [19:17] <bossbear> the keysd to the universe [19:17] <bossbear> theres your birth [19:17] <bossbear> and all compoexity from simplicity [19:18] <Miles_Teg> probably, but I call the attention for the inermost meaning of this unities model [19:18] <bossbear> gresat cinversayion [19:18] <bossbear> but i have to take a break [19:18] <Miles_Teg> it claims every finite must be equidistant of the extremes [19:18] <bossbear> shall return in three hours [19:19] <bossbear> thank you [19:19] <bossbear> wrere are you anyway? [19:19] <Miles_Teg> me too, you are welcome [19:19] <bossbear> im in the usa [19:19] <bossbear> you there or in europe? [19:19] <Miles_Teg> Brazil [19:19] <bossbear> entao, obrigado [19:19] <bossbear> :) [19:19] <Miles_Teg> ohh, it's not common, thank you [19:20] <Miles_Teg> see you later [19:20] <bossbear> i speak a littrle portuguese [19:20] <bossbear> thank you [19:20] <Miles_Teg> probably better than I speak english :) [19:22] <Miles_Teg> I have been thinking what I call a cosmogony for decades now [19:22] <Miles_Teg> it forced me to rethink many concepts I got as stablished before [19:23] <Miles_Teg> not the old concepts were wrong, but they were misleading and confuse and confounding [19:24] <Miles_Teg> the zero itself was the single most difficult to separate from it's meaning as a point, an origin, the void or abscense [19:25] <Miles_Teg> so, I'd rather call it by another name [19:26] <Miles_Teg> because that zero, the complementar of infinite is itself a field, where that last is the whole it's the every [19:26] <Miles_Teg> or all [19:27] <Miles_Teg> both perpeates the entire universe and contain it in the form of theirs interval [19:27] <Miles_Teg> they are omnipresent but never touched by anything in the universe [19:28] <Miles_Teg> both (or the interval BTW) is where all the finites can exist, and they can exist only as unities under the interval view point [19:30] <Miles_Teg> and as such all finites are at equal distance from the interval's extremes, but it is obvious since the unity is the center of that interval, always, for any and every unity [19:32] <Miles_Teg> the concept of interval is so strong and universal that it holds for everything, not only in the physics but the entire philosophy, from the tech to the humanist [19:35] <Miles_Teg> one may think the beauty as holding by itself but that can't hold, beauty is an interval we place things we deem somewhere inbetween ugly-beaultiful [19:38] <Miles_Teg> if was to me to create a symbol for the fundamentals I could not create a better one than that Yin-Yang symbol I think everbody saw although (maybe) not attempting to it's meaning [19:39] <Miles_Teg> it's that circle (the thing) composed by two formants (the internal 'drops) represented by contrasting colors... and more [19:41] <Miles_Teg> each drop with a "dot" of the other... this simbol show the dualistic nature of interval formants where each thing carries parts of the two and more, it's recursive, represente by the drops in the formants themselves [19:44] <Miles_Teg> this concept is the sine quae non for the CH (don't ask about this name), a cosmogony, hence the C there but not a cosmology or a theory at this point. [19:46] <Miles_Teg> that concept of formant dualities goes deep, to the very genesis of the universe, it describes how matter and energy can't be see as insulated things, they are born in complementar pairs. [19:48] <Miles_Teg> I call the attention for the expression "are born", we can't and shouldn't rely on preexistent something other than the fabric itself. We don't need preexistent matter do go boom [19:50] <Miles_Teg> as a byproduct, that complementar nature holds that changes in one must reflect in the other [19:52] * bossbear (~bossbear@pool-71-244-31-58.dllstx.fios.verizon.net) Quit ( Read error: Connection reset by peer ) [19:52] <Miles_Teg> should not be surprise so as 'later' we find the universe holds some limits that can't be broken by physical bodies... trying to change it's intrinsic velocity changes the interval itself [19:55] <Miles_Teg> movement is a dragging process into the interval, not a sliding, and will not be a surprise anymore approaching such physical limits provoques fierce reaction from the complementar [19:55] ->> Attempting to join #WRONGPLANET [19:56] * m_W (~mwilcox56@c-76-98-139-166.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #calculus [19:56] <Miles_Teg> in the space time mass will grow with the velocity nearing C while the time shrinks in proportion [20:00] * W_4RL0CK (~w4rl0ck@189.74.173.13) has joined #calculus [20:22] * Miles_Teg (~Nosisab@189.12.50.44) Quit ( Ping timeout: 240 seconds ) [20:36] <W_4RL0CK> hi [20:44] <eh_bing> hi [21:05] <W_4RL0CK> someone is here ? [21:09] * Tau (~afsdf@189-127-58-218.i-next.psi.br) has joined #calculus [21:15] <eh_bing> yes [21:16] <eh_bing> everyone is here [21:16] <eh_bing> :p [21:24] <Tau> hi eh_bing . [21:32] * eh_bing (~venus@ppp-71-139-32-59.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) Quit ( Remote host closed the connection ) [22:08] ->> Connection closed from leguin.freenode.net
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