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  3. [14:39] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> hi
  4. [14:40] <Tau> hi NosisabKen_Kekeh .
  5. [14:40] <Tau> bossbear: NosisabKen_Kekeh would enjoy a talking about your theory.
  6. [14:41] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> let that happens naturally, Tau
  7. [14:42] <Tau> NosisabKen_Kekeh: i don't have so much time.
  8. [14:42] <Tau> NosisabKen_Kekeh: i am not feeling good, really.
  9. [14:42] <Tau> i guess i am really sick.
  10. [14:42] <Tau> the worse isn't it, i got wearied to fight.
  11. [14:43] <Tau> i will not struggle against it anymore.
  12. [14:43] <Tau> i just hurt myself.
  13. [14:43] <bossbear> hi
  14. [14:43] <bossbear> \i'm here
  15. [14:43] <Tau> hi bossbear .
  16. [14:43] <bossbear> hi
  17. [14:43] <bossbear> whats new?
  18. [14:44] <bossbear> http://www.worldsci.org/pdf/ebooks/TransDimensionalUnifiedFieldTheory8.09.pdf
  19. [14:45] <bossbear> thank you tau
  20. [14:45] <Tau> NosisabKen_Kekeh: you know what to do.
  21. [14:45] <Tau> bossbear: sure.
  22. [14:45] <bossbear> so hi kek
  23. [14:45] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> getting the PDF just now
  24. [14:45] <bossbear> you are welcome to ask anything
  25. [14:45] <bossbear> thats just for convenince later
  26. [14:49] <bossbear> its actually 321 pages
  27. [14:49] <bossbear> i added more today, but not posted there
  28. [14:49] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> We have some divergent view points and some common ground I see
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  30. [14:51] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> the first and possible the greater divergence is about the big bang, I see it as an unilateral projection of a dual faced, intervalar process
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  33. [14:54] <Tau> bossbear: hi.
  34. [14:54] <Tau> bossbear: how do you explain the arising of the universe ?
  35. [14:54] <bossbear> hi
  36. [14:54] <Tau> from the begin.
  37. [14:54] <bossbear> im back
  38. [14:54] <bossbear> the bigg bang
  39. [14:54] <bossbear> its really the universe induced
  40. [14:54] <bossbear> E=(i*pi) = -1 = Time * velocity
  41. [14:54] <Tau> bossbear: try to make me figure out it.
  42. [14:54] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> albeit off a schedule of exhibition I think the universe as localized collapses of an entire sector of something I call fabric to keep the original concept
  43. [14:54] <bossbear> the universe is induced from the outsdide
  44. [14:55] <bossbear> eulers equation is the big bang
  45. [14:55] <bossbear> -1 represents D
  46. [14:55] <bossbear> in 1 is all diversity
  47. [14:55] <bossbear> from the following equations all is derived
  48. [14:55] <Tau> NosisabKen_Kekeh: does the fabric create the matter by colapsing the vague space ?
  49. [14:55] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> one could think it as the fundamental collapsing, an analogy with the gravitational collapse
  50. [14:56] <bossbear> phi + phihat = 1 = time + velocity and phi * phihat = -1 = time * velocity
  51. [14:56] <bossbear> space is a matrix
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  53. [14:56] <bossbear> of superstrings
  54. [14:56] <bossbear> the matrix is like a matrix oif waves
  55. [14:56] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> that's not the schedule I dreamed to expose but one could think the fabric as the 'lost universal ether'
  56. [14:56] <bossbear> where the matrix has nodes or intereference you get a particle
  57. [14:57] <bossbear> the idea of nothng is a myth
  58. [14:57] <bossbear> inertial fields are localized
  59. [14:57] <bossbear> in proprtion to cncentrated atomic centers
  60. [14:57] <bossbear> E = mc^2 is D^5 = mc^2
  61. [14:58] <bossbear> calculate d or radius of the inertial field
  62. [14:58] <Tau> bossbear:
  63. [14:58] <bossbear> mass has to be adjusted to be both core mass and intertial field
  64. [14:58] <bossbear> yes?
  65. [14:58] <Tau> bossbear: try to expose by using philosophical concepts i am not figuring out what those formules mean.
  66. [14:58] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> yes, it's just the point
  67. [14:58] <bossbear> ok
  68. [14:59] <bossbear> The First Cause or Creator
  69. [14:59] <bossbear> The natural universe, where processes are emergent, can all be explained by math, with implications far beyond physics. The universe also shows a principle of entanglement and dependence of the numerous parts and not one part cannot exist without the other either directly or through transformation. By principle of symmetry the entire universe is dependent on something from the outside. In...
  70. [14:59] <bossbear> ...addition to the natural machine of the universe, there is also the anomalous and free will of living forms which is only possible by transcendence. By principle of symmetry, if my consciousness requires a consciousness to receive my actions, then too the natural universe is alive and a form of consciousness. All consciousness proceeds by act of a living will. The action that caused the...
  71. [14:59] <bossbear> ...diversification of unity, from simplicity to diversity (the is in in all and the all in 1 represents entanglement) can be in a multitude of form, Selection of an option that results in the mathematical structure particular to this universe requires an intelligent being. The first cause is referred to as the Creator, and the entire math and creations refer to the nature of the origin and...
  72. [14:59] <bossbear> ...hence is the concept of created referring to the source as an analogy of truth. We as intelligent beings spend much time on the equality of all beings to negate the concept of first cause, but in truth the entire universe is hierarchy and the equality we allude to is only by position and similarity to surrounding. There is both equality, and hierarch, and hierarchy requires a first cause....
  73. [14:59] <bossbear> ...If the universe represents a form of math, the idea of math requires a first cause, and the idea being associated with a form of consciousness.
  74. [14:59] <bossbear> The processes of the universe are described by math. Hence nothing is random. It is incorrect to use statistics in creating models for physics. Statistic deals with the randomness only found in the free will of living conscious beings. And that we said the universe is a form of consciousness, the natural order has been fixed by universal laws allow a backdrop of constancy that allows free...
  75. [14:59] <bossbear> ...will to participate. These constancies also refer to constancies about the nature of matrix truths through all realities, and hence are an analogy of those truths by constancies that exist. Hence constancy also alludes to constancies regarding the nature of matrix and its actions and modes of operation and behavior.
  76. [14:59] <bossbear> Entanglement is the same as dependence on numerous parts. Where one variable, component, or equation does not exist without the other, the impact on one is simultaneously an impact on another.
  77. [14:59] <bossbear> With the principle of symmetry the nature of the action is within the nature of the result, which includes dependence, even in the existence of the universe from something outside. We cannot love unless the universe has the same. An object cannot pull by gravity if the participant object does not have the same.
  78. [14:59] <bossbear> There is nothing random in the "natural" universe, 1000 equations running simultaneously have the illusion of freedom or random and all can be explained by mathematical equations. When it comes to human behavior and those of other life forms, then there is random activity. When one set of mathematical operators is foreign to those existing, then you can have random or free will. Hence free...
  79. [14:59] <bossbear> ...will is transcendent and there can be no free will without transcendence.
  80. [14:59] <bossbear> Consciousness includes the capacity to choose and does include free will, thought, and awareness. Any being that has life or living is a being, a form of consciousness.
  81. [14:59] <bossbear> The big bang is not the first cause, but the result of it. Here Euler's equation
  82. [14:59] <bossbear> E (i*pi) = -1 = Time * Velocity
  83. [14:59] <bossbear> is used to define the Big Bang, and by it implies the universe is induced from outside. And if the universe is a form of consciousness, then that supports other arguments from its origin from the outside, and also for the consciousness of all living beings.
  84. [14:59] <bossbear> Well, I would assume that in a mathematical model for behavior, we use statistics, and any such model uses the option to defer, and a wide distribution of mathematical outcomes. So then in a sense, such a math allows for transformation of itself and its environment which is not found in planetary motion. Now a roll of the dice is not random in the manner I am speaking. The natural universe...
  85. [14:59] <bossbear> ...is a machine in the sense of being represented with equations without exceptions. Behavior on the other hand is the option to select equations, programs that change itself and the environment without being just a program. The dice is emergent, the person throwing is transcendent and free willed, and the dice is not random of its own accord.
  86. [14:59] <bossbear> In living being, I include any form of life and all cells. We can debate whether that has attachment to a central nervous system. But there are no emergent processes in the “natural” universe that show the beginning of life. There is an argument that it can be achieved in a lab, but already that is intelligent design if in a lab.
  87. [14:59] <bossbear> Free will excludes prediction, but includes uncertainty, which is common in physics, however there its question of using proper (multiplicative) mathematical form to solve uncertainties. Heisenberg says you cannot know both the momentum and position of a particle, but then he uses proper (multiplication form) to solve a scalar problem (additive as a quadratic or polynomial equation). That’s...
  88. [14:59] <bossbear> ...a wrong philosophical use of math.
  89. [14:59] <bossbear> Ultimately, what came first the chicken or the egg, what is outside of outside? The first cause means that in 1 all diversity emerged. From awareness emerged thought and free will and all the diversity of the universe. In order to love or express free will, God created, and what was created had the capacity to love back. This is the principle of symmetry evident in all math and carries the...
  90. [14:59] <bossbear> ...equal “=” sign. In all this are symmetry and hierarchy where symmetry, is part of the very nature of the first cause and is essentially represented in math.
  91. [15:00] <Tau> bossbear: sure. i am reading, you just keep there.
  92. [15:00] <Tau> since when i finish i will ask to you some things.
  93. [15:00] <bossbear> there is an error
  94. [15:00] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> the problem is the big bang supposes a matter it can't explain
  95. [15:01] <bossbear> i said the 1 is in the all and all in the 1
  96. [15:01] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> while what is being proposed creates not only the matter as it binds it to the energy
  97. [15:01] <bossbear> a matter
  98. [15:01] <bossbear> ?
  99. [15:01] <bossbear> the whole univwerse has no energy
  100. [15:01] <bossbear> its a dream in the ind of god
  101. [15:01] <bossbear> from the outside its a constant
  102. [15:01] <bossbear> like things outside are constants here
  103. [15:02] <bossbear> even like an idea in your head
  104. [15:02] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> I'll need to listen more to understand this concept
  105. [15:02] <bossbear> its like a dream
  106. [15:03] <bossbear> a receded form of cociousness, but with order
  107. [15:03] <bossbear> when you wake up from sleep, you dream has no energy either
  108. [15:03] <bossbear> but its so real, and there are laws, that it carries the full wait of energy to you
  109. [15:04] <Tau> bossbear: what can you deduce from using your conception of arising of universe ?
  110. [15:04] <Tau> so, what is it fixed in ?
  111. [15:05] <bossbear> well, is philosoiphy its directly a thought
  112. [15:05] <bossbear> in'
  113. [15:05] <bossbear> the constancy is a matter of choice from the first cause or creator
  114. [15:05] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> I invite everyone to let aside the idea of infinite as something far away and think it as the whole, that permeates and circundates everything... more, it can't be dissociated of the 'other' infinite that forms a field of all possibilities, the absolut multiplicity, what repeats for all the infinite, both never touch one the other but forms all the interval everything is possible
  115. [15:05] <bossbear> constancy reveals the nature of character of the first cause
  116. [15:05] <bossbear> everything is infnte
  117. [15:05] <bossbear> but to have form
  118. [15:06] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> without it I can't hope to expose something not big bang
  119. [15:06] <bossbear> certian aspects are qualified
  120. [15:06] <bossbear> the relationship of three results in form
  121. [15:06] <bossbear> the prime numbers are benchmarks that keep the drream in order
  122. [15:06] <Tau> for me the universe is just made by a sole unit.
  123. [15:06] <bossbear> and is a backdrop for free will
  124. [15:07] <bossbear> there is no free will without transcedence
  125. [15:07] <Tau> it is and was in eternal moviment.
  126. [15:07] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> It's proposed the formant duality, bossbear, the concept of interval as universal
  127. [15:07] <Tau> movement.
  128. [15:07] <bossbear> the natural universe has no randoimeness, all is equation
  129. [15:07] <bossbear> duality has its place, but largely in human use its a myth
  130. [15:07] <bossbear> a psycological aspect of perception
  131. [15:08] <Tau> i would enjoy to know how your minds work.
  132. [15:08] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> you would find more easy to get the preon theory and superstrings... both and each representing one face of the same coin
  133. [15:08] <bossbear> i use superstrigs to mean the construct of the eather
  134. [15:09] <Tau> the punched coin.
  135. [15:09] <bossbear> the three primart are time, velocity and distance
  136. [15:09] <bossbear> if tyou tale a sphere and call it D
  137. [15:09] <bossbear> inside d are 2 networks
  138. [15:09] <Tau> bossbear: try to relate distance and movement without time.
  139. [15:09] <bossbear> t and v, negatives of each other
  140. [15:10] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> that's de divergent point, I hold it derivates from the 'vacuum' the "original space" collapsing on fundamental points
  141. [15:10] <bossbear> you cannot relate distance without tiume
  142. [15:10] <Tau> bossbear: yes. we don't know a way.
  143. [15:10] <Tau> bossbear: but is there a way ?
  144. [15:10] <bossbear> no
  145. [15:10] <bossbear> exceopt
  146. [15:10] <Tau> bossbear: but how to prove it ?
  147. [15:10] <bossbear> \time is a reverse network of 1 and 0
  148. [15:10] <bossbear> to veloicity
  149. [15:10] <bossbear> and together they are d
  150. [15:10] <bossbear> the nature of creation
  151. [15:10] <bossbear> is in the netowrks that created d, t and v
  152. [15:11] <bossbear> of 1 and 0
  153. [15:11] <bossbear> so then
  154. [15:11] <bossbear> you can have almost any type of creation
  155. [15:11] <bossbear> by the subdivion of 11
  156. [15:11] <bossbear> of 1
  157. [15:11] <bossbear> which is d
  158. [15:11] <bossbear> which is an anaolgy of god
  159. [15:11] <bossbear> where in unity all thigs exist
  160. [15:12] <bossbear> as a binary code
  161. [15:12] <bossbear> in infite dimensions
  162. [15:12] <bossbear> from subdivision and simpolicty arrises all complexoity
  163. [15:12] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> bossbear, you are not giving a chance to place that theory under a more complete setup
  164. [15:12] <bossbear> i have amny inroads to explain it
  165. [15:13] <bossbear> \many
  166. [15:13] <bossbear> the quations is where to start
  167. [15:13] <bossbear> since it covers many things
  168. [15:13] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> if your theory holds it fits in that duality, if not something on any the two must be reviewed
  169. [15:13] <bossbear> two equations can be used to derive all
  170. [15:13] <bossbear> T+v=1 and T*v = -1
  171. [15:14] <bossbear> the additive are the quadratic and polynomial
  172. [15:14] <bossbear> sclalr
  173. [15:14] <bossbear> the * are the proper like e=mc^2
  174. [15:14] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> observe everything you did tell holds yet, the space-time is known, it's an interval
  175. [15:14] <bossbear> there is no uncertainty
  176. [15:14] <bossbear> heiseneberg used a proper for (*) to try to solve a sclalar problem (+)
  177. [15:15] <bossbear> form
  178. [15:15] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> the electric and magnetic fields are intervals
  179. [15:15] <bossbear> incorrect
  180. [15:15] <bossbear> one diploe form generates another
  181. [15:15] <bossbear> all particles are diploes
  182. [15:15] <bossbear> and resulting fields
  183. [15:15] <bossbear> generate partivles
  184. [15:16] <bossbear> the state of partilcles is trans dimensional
  185. [15:16] <bossbear> meaning
  186. [15:16] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> still, remove one pole and the field collapses
  187. [15:16] <bossbear> they exist at different densities
  188. [15:16] <bossbear> yes
  189. [15:16] <bossbear> but the universe has order
  190. [15:16] <bossbear> and so one relation goes to another
  191. [15:16] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> because the field itself is the interval
  192. [15:16] <bossbear> one dimenion transfoirmed to another
  193. [15:16] <bossbear> the fild is the reality
  194. [15:17] <bossbear> the particle is the shadopw
  195. [15:17] <bossbear> shadow
  196. [15:17] <bossbear> you see the negative of the universe
  197. [15:17] <bossbear> space is all light
  198. [15:17] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> well, I can't dissociate particle from energy
  199. [15:17] <Tau> i guess
  200. [15:17] <Tau> i will die
  201. [15:17] <Tau> my head is paining very much.
  202. [15:17] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> they are formed in pairs
  203. [15:17] <bossbear> well, they are related yes
  204. [15:17] <Tau> i feel pangs
  205. [15:17] <Tau> there.
  206. [15:18] <bossbear> so then every planet generates an inertial field
  207. [15:18] <bossbear> the pspace of outer space is localized
  208. [15:18] <bossbear> the space of the sun goes past neptune
  209. [15:18] <bossbear> its a sphere
  210. [15:18] <bossbear> the velocity of the natrix gnerates a spherical wave
  211. [15:18] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> how can we think so equal and so different?
  212. [15:19] <bossbear> when it returns it creates a standing wave
  213. [15:19] <bossbear> like a gyroscpoe that olds the planets
  214. [15:19] <bossbear> in the elciptic
  215. [15:19] <bossbear> sma e for the center of the galaxy
  216. [15:20] <bossbear> D in D^5 = mc^2 is the radius of the inertial field
  217. [15:20] <bossbear> you can simplify newtoin to
  218. [15:20] <bossbear> F = volume1 vlume2/R^2
  219. [15:20] <bossbear> where volume is the volume of the inertial field
  220. [15:20] <bossbear> G is a variable
  221. [15:20] <bossbear> that exists
  222. [15:20] <bossbear> because you discount the inertial field
  223. [15:20] <bossbear> so its an approxiumate nuoit
  224. [15:21] <bossbear> G - 1/ Density1 * density2 = !/ T^4
  225. [15:21] <bossbear> =
  226. [15:21] <bossbear> that incirporated to the gravity equation results in vilume
  227. [15:21] <bossbear> volume is also voltage
  228. [15:21] <bossbear> sice grav force is positive
  229. [15:21] <bossbear> increase in viltage with increase in current
  230. [15:22] <bossbear> electricity has a - atribute
  231. [15:22] <bossbear> so incrreAse in current derease in viltage
  232. [15:22] <bossbear> opposte
  233. [15:22] <bossbear> rememebr time = Veliocity =-D
  234. [15:22] <bossbear> -D
  235. [15:22] <bossbear> the - in D^4 -= foprce is posiotive
  236. [15:22] <bossbear> all force is D^4
  237. [15:23] <bossbear> maegnetism and elelctricity carry a - attribute in dimensional space
  238. [15:23] <bossbear> thats why voltages of the sun and mars, thrown together gets a larger velocity in the current of the inertial field
  239. [15:23] <bossbear> larger mass
  240. [15:24] <bossbear> and you can transdimensionally revise all the quntum equations
  241. [15:24] <bossbear> because you only need three units now
  242. [15:24] <bossbear> and that makes finding relationships easier
  243. [15:24] <bossbear> :)_
  244. [15:24] <bossbear> anything else?
  245. [15:24] <bossbear> by the way
  246. [15:24] <bossbear> density = time^2
  247. [15:25] <bossbear> thats why you have time variances away from the grav field
  248. [15:25] <bossbear> grav field density
  249. [15:25] <bossbear> or aether
  250. [15:26] <bossbear> in;roper form the systems are acting as one
  251. [15:26] <bossbear> i n sclalar they obsever is in his own field
  252. [15:26] <bossbear> so you can make an arguement
  253. [15:26] <bossbear> mass increases with velocity or decreases
  254. [15:26] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> that aether is all inside the matter now, where it was is the big well that interact with others wells
  255. [15:26] <bossbear> depending if its proper or sclalr
  256. [15:27] <bossbear> well, its within and wothout
  257. [15:27] <bossbear> its a transdimensional transotio  of aether from dimeions 23 to 1
  258. [15:27] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> there is no original aether in the universal space anymore, maybe traces
  259. [15:27] <bossbear> the atom is the perfect model
  260. [15:27] <bossbear> at center is a black hole
  261. [15:28] <bossbear> the aether unfilds like an accordion
  262. [15:28] <bossbear> and extends byoing the visible system
  263. [15:29] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> I know the big band is convenient concept, one already has the matter to start with...
  264. [15:30] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> but that model fails in several instances
  265. [15:31] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> I wish to give you the fundamental particle and the fundamental force
  266. [15:32] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> with which all the structure from the preons to black holes can be mounted
  267. [15:33] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> always governed by the force is generated together (genesis tense)
  268. [15:33] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> I propose no bang is needed, the infinite itself grows
  269. [15:34] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> and drags the whole universe together
  270. [15:34] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> your theory still holds there
  271. [15:34] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> it must
  272. [15:34] <Tau> we have a conception of space cause we are surrounded by it.
  273. [15:36] <Tau> i invite you to think beyond we can imagine and then wonder whether it is possible to not hold the concepts of space there.
  274. [15:36] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> the gross analogy is the letter soup, tau... where the letters agglutinate more and more and doing so comprees gravitically more and more, expanding yet more the bords
  275. [15:37] <Tau> maybe our universe is limited in terms of space, NosisabKen_Kekeh. it holds for the idea of a fabric existing out the universe.
  276. [15:37] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> it's a process in course as yourseld stated, bossbear ... the concentration is yet in course and with it the corresponding expansion
  277. [15:38] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> just i'ts not needed anymore any initial mater matter, only the fabric's space
  278. [15:39] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> a less sutil than the vacuun still more than any matter in the universe
  279. [15:39] <Tau> realize existing a part of the all like not sustaining the universe.
  280. [15:40] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> the vaccum itself is that fabric's not 'empty' space collapsing in an analogy with massive gravitational collapse
  281. [15:41] <Tau> the vaccum physically i believe to not exist.
  282. [15:41] <Tau> it is just a perfect conception lying in our world of ideas.
  283. [15:41] <Tau> from plato.
  284. [15:41] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> but it's nature is different, matter and energy are born in pairs and with it you get the velocity as the holder of the space-time as you already got
  285. [15:42] <Tau> same if you were able to remove all the atoms of a given space you wouldn't have the vacuum properly defined.
  286. [15:42] <Tau> however i am just beting on it.
  287. [15:42] <Tau> raving to be sincere.
  288. [15:43] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> I could not define the fabric's nature, tau, but certainly it's not atoms like we know it in the universe
  289. [15:44] <Tau> indeed, NosisabKen_Kekeh .
  290. [15:44] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> atoms are posteriori, before it we had to have preons and quarks and particles
  291. [15:44] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> and with them the forces and there is no reason to think only 3 or four dimensions
  292. [15:45] <Tau> NosisabKen_Kekeh: do you believe in soul ?
  293. [15:45] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> like I said in the beginning, it's not how I'd schedule the exposition
  294. [15:45] <Tau> do you believe your consciousness is going to exist same when your body gets dead ?
  295. [15:46] <Tau> and u SailorReality
  296. [15:46] <Tau> and u bossbear
  297. [15:46] <bossbear> yes
  298. [15:46] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> to understand that one need to understand the zero and infinite can't be dissociated without destroing the nature of finites
  299. [15:46] <bossbear> free will is transcedent
  300. [15:47] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> finites can happen only in the center of the interval between the infinity
  301. [15:47] <Tau> NosisabKen_Kekeh: yes.
  302. [15:47] <Tau> NosisabKen_Kekeh: i have created a way to explain that.
  303. [15:47] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> infinity can't be a point por a border far away anymore, it is the whole, the UNO, it permeates and is all the place
  304. [15:48] <Tau> but i didn't know how to make the function that make '0 different from x and +oo'.
  305. [15:48] <Tau> i named the set of M.
  306. [15:48] <Tau> from miles.
  307. [15:48] <Tau> NosisabKen_Kekeh: can i show you what is it ?
  308. [15:49] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> the zero is not a point too, it's a field of all elemental zeroes and actually I relute calling it because it tends to cofound it with the point it creates in colaboration with the infinite
  309. [15:49] <Tau> just to word the concepts and facilitate when treating ur ideas, NosisabKen_Kekeh .
  310. [15:49] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> if you think you can explain what I'm saying, just until now you didn't show you understood it
  311. [15:50] <bossbear> no, there is a model which soews the vacuum to be real
  312. [15:50] <bossbear> if you take the idea of a vacuum and within it introduce a sphercal wave
  313. [15:50] <bossbear> you end up with a spanding wave like a gyrioscpoe
  314. [15:50] <bossbear> if you take distance d
  315. [15:51] <bossbear> its the exit of the silar sytem
  316. [15:51] <bossbear> just about where the pioneer anomaly happened
  317. [15:51] <bossbear> where gravity went to 1/R
  318. [15:51] <bossbear> 1/R^2 is only in the solar system
  319. [15:51] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> the vaccum is a necessity in that model, bossbear, and it is a well, a very 'tense' wirlpool
  320. [15:51] <bossbear> we are in a fish pond
  321. [15:52] <bossbear> guppies swimming around with limited expeiences
  322. [15:52] <bossbear> we know onylwhat we nmeasure
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  325. [15:56] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> since the (fabric's) space is being compressed in a point where it was is now vacuum and the concentrarion varies with the distance, just apply your formulas.
  326. [15:56] <bossbear> hi
  327. [15:56] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> what you gained is that concentrated space
  328. [15:57] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> you don't need original matter anymore, it's created in the same process that creates the energy
  329. [15:58] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> and when that 'now' universal matter agglutinate with the neighbors you get the space-time
  330. [15:58] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> and with it the own space and time
  331. [16:01] <bossbear> yes
  332. [16:01] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> still I hold it was not the time to introduce that concept
  333. [16:01] <bossbear> everything is made from t and v
  334. [16:01] <bossbear> in various combinations
  335. [16:02] <bossbear> so when eaistein said
  336. [16:02] <bossbear> for e = mc62
  337. [16:03] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> Id rather talk about how the two infinity interacts as their interval to create the finite, the unities, and with it the value, dimension, length or quantity (quantum)
  338. [16:03] <bossbear> he said mass and energy are related by "something"
  339. [16:03] <bossbear> that something is time and velocity
  340. [16:03] <bossbear> well,
  341. [16:04] <bossbear> time being phihat andveloicty being phi are cobinations of ininite numbers
  342. [16:04] <bossbear> that together take form as 1
  343. [16:04] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> yes, the velocity is the holder of the macro cosm
  344. [16:04] <bossbear> d, t, and v
  345. [16:04] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> cosmos
  346. [16:04] <bossbear> so in the relationship of three the infnite is qualified
  347. [16:05] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> in quantic level the changes are by jumps
  348. [16:05] <bossbear> there are trandimensional transitiuons a;so
  349. [16:05] <bossbear> the connection to the infnite is all all points of space and every dimension
  350. [16:05] <bossbear> the dream within a dream
  351. [16:05] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> energy is accumulated or released until the treshold is reached
  352. [16:06] <bossbear> the thresholds are prime numbers and other constants
  353. [16:06] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> Id like you to think all possible finites as unities in the center of infinity interval, the only place it is possible
  354. [16:07] <bossbear> there are unities at the center of all matrix interferernces or nodes
  355. [16:07] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> that interval is always of superior dimensional order anything can exist in the universe
  356. [16:07] <bossbear> black holes
  357. [16:08] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> I invite you to think the infinite as permeating and surrounding the entire universe
  358. [16:08] <bossbear> it is
  359. [16:08] <bossbear> i agree
  360. [16:08] <bossbear> its apriori
  361. [16:08] <bossbear> the universe is a trnasition
  362. [16:08] <bossbear> transition
  363. [16:09] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> and the zeroes (an absolute multiplicity) is the other infinity
  364. [16:09] <bossbear> o is unity
  365. [16:09] <bossbear> also c
  366. [16:09] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> they must be taken together, only their interval has meaning to us
  367. [16:09] <bossbear> and 1 is balance
  368. [16:09] <bossbear> all with 0 and 1
  369. [16:09] <bossbear> binary hologram
  370. [16:10] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> you got it, any value is an unity in that interval, mathematically there is the seed of that concept stated as any base elevated to 0 is the unity
  371. [16:12] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> once that concept of two infinites that permeates everything withou touch anything is understood, I can go ahead and talk about the infinites itself expanding (if one prefer he can think the zero as shrinking)
  372. [16:13] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> but I must tell again, using the word zero can lead to mistakes like confounding it with the point it creates in the interval, or the void or the origin in a rule or abscense of something
  373. [16:14] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> so, with the risk of looking mystic... one could think them as the yin-yang :)
  374. [16:14] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> or give any name deems fit
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  376. [16:15] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> because neither the infinite or any representative of zero can be found in the universe... only the interval has meaning to us
  377. [16:16] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> with the expanding infinity, we avoid them being static and the problems that creates
  378. [16:16] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> as a byproduct we gain the ability to explain the hyperreal
  379. [16:18] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> that concept is needed, bossbear, because I propose the end of the big bang, it's not needed to explain the universal expansion
  380. [16:18] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> once we can determine the infinite itself expands
  381. [16:20] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> in a static infinity must exist a number that is greater than any other and smaller than infinite and a number that is smaller than any other and greater than zero and a real that is nearest other real than any other real
  382. [16:20] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> it negates the own infinitude
  383. [16:21] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> to be infinite something can't be reached
  384. [16:22] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> to it it need to advance so it can't be reached not even in an infinite time
  385. [16:23] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> and better yet, it does not need anymore the infinite being so from the fabric's view point, to it the entire universe is 'indeed' an expanding bubble
  386. [16:25] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> what leads to a axiom I'll not try to prove now: The universe is infinite for everything it contain and is finite for what contain it.
  387. [16:25] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> a second axiom: any subspace of the infinity is infinity itself (that will prove very useful ahead)
  388. [16:26] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> but it's late here, almost 3 PM and I'm a bit tired, I will only ready from now on
  389. [16:27] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> ooops, read I meant
  390. [16:29] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> who saw how the hyperreal comes naturally from an expanding ifinite interval?
  391. [16:29] <bossbear> well, nice chat, but i have to retire folks
  392. [16:29] <bossbear> i'll be here toimorrow
  393. [16:30] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> that I propose fits in anything I tested until now
  394. [16:30] <bossbear> you can find m=e in the comic section of the newpaper
  395. [16:30] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> actually it turn all theories easier
  396. [16:30] <bossbear> yes i agree with most of iut'
  397. [16:31] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> it gives the 'two' faces of the coin in the form of intervals
  398. [16:31] <bossbear> yes
  399. [16:32] <bossbear> sleep well
  400. [16:32] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> and better, it's known for centuries, just a bit forgotten
  401. [16:32] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> bye, see you latter
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  403. [16:40] <Tau> i will have to sleep, NosisabKen_Kekeh .
  404. [16:55] <NosisabKen_Kekeh> later
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  415. [21:16] <bossbear> greetings
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  419. [22:17] <Miles_Teg> hi
  420. [22:27] <bossbear> hi
  421. [22:27] <Miles_Teg> bossbear, In the introduction, the 6th rule: Space and matter are symbiotic, additive and stabkem where one cohexist with the other...
  422. [22:28] <bossbear> true
  423. [22:28] <bossbear> they are the same
  424. [22:28] <bossbear> inlt arranged differently
  425. [22:28] <bossbear> only
  426. [22:28] <bossbear> itd all space
  427. [22:29] <Miles_Teg> I propose they are seen as twin, complementar and one is sine quae non to the other
  428. [22:29] <bossbear> space is a matrix made of d, t and v superstrings
  429. [22:29] <bossbear> and particles are the inewrference nodes
  430. [22:32] <Miles_Teg> it holds the space is the well, the wirpool where the original constituting was 'sucked' by the 'matter' at this stage they could be suspiciously looked upon as the preon principle and the superstring
  431. [22:33] <bossbear> ok
  432. [22:35] <Miles_Teg> this is a model that allows the fractal assembly from the fundamentals to the more complex cosmic body
  433. [22:35] <bossbear> ok
  434. [22:35] <bossbear> you have equations?
  435. [22:35] <Miles_Teg> include yours there
  436. [22:36] <Miles_Teg> include every known one there
  437. [22:36] <bossbear> ok
  438. [22:36] <bossbear> D^5 = mc^2
  439. [22:39] <Miles_Teg> that describes the center of the pool
  440. [22:39] <bossbear> it describes the field generated by the center
  441. [22:39] <Miles_Teg> matter itself as the m suggest, and tells something about the speed it occurs
  442. [22:39] <bossbear> ir the limit
  443. [22:39] <Miles_Teg> yes, we came to the same conclusion, see?
  444. [22:40] <bossbear> true
  445. [22:40] <Miles_Teg> what get's to that center? in the genesis instant?
  446. [22:41] <bossbear> the center is a black hole
  447. [22:41] <bossbear> the qualifiactio nof infnity at every particle center
  448. [22:42] <Miles_Teg> since it's a 'fractal' process of sorts... but I was thinking about the matter and energy creation, themselves
  449. [22:43] <Miles_Teg> although as yourself I tend to avoid the term energy at this point even matter
  450. [22:43] <Miles_Teg> black holes is only much later
  451. [22:44] <Miles_Teg> in the first stage the fabric is in a relative resting state
  452. [22:46] <bossbear> think this way
  453. [22:46] <Miles_Teg> I can't tell the nature, consistence or origin of this fabric
  454. [22:46] <bossbear> there is only time dimension, and velocity
  455. [22:46] <bossbear> think further only time and velocity are a partcle
  456. [22:46] <bossbear> quatum superstring
  457. [22:47] <bossbear> noe i combine three d and 2 T and thats what we call mass
  458. [22:47] <bossbear> or 5 t and 5 v and thats what we call energy
  459. [22:48] <Miles_Teg> I can't, I don't have the space and time yet neither matter or energy
  460. [22:48] <bossbear> the properties arfe by the arrangement of space
  461. [22:48] <Miles_Teg> I need them to be born at this point
  462. [22:48] <bossbear> born?
  463. [22:48] <Miles_Teg> is this the proposition
  464. [22:49] <bossbear> like the big bang?
  465. [22:49] <bossbear> they are induced from outside the universe
  466. [22:49] <Miles_Teg> I can't rely on something to boom
  467. [22:50] <Miles_Teg> how could be it be other than a cyclying universe, and if so, how the first instance?
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  469. [22:50] <Miles_Teg> I need the matter to 'be born'
  470. [22:51] <Miles_Teg> I can't have it without energy being born together, you can call it force
  471. [22:51] <bossbear> its born in E (i*pi) = -1 = time * velocity
  472. [22:51] <bossbear> that is the birth of energy
  473. [22:52] <bossbear> or
  474. [22:52] <SailorReality> $logdir
  475. [22:52] <SailorReality> whoops
  476. [22:52] <Miles_Teg> lets assume it, and it shall relate with D^5 to hold
  477. [22:52] <bossbear> E ^(I*pi) + (Time + velocity) = 0
  478. [22:52] <Miles_Teg> that 'energy' is the well
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  482. [22:53] <Miles_Teg> that 'energy' is the well
  483. [22:54] <Miles_Teg> it's 'our' space itself (or described by and describes it)
  484. [22:54] <bossbear> E^ (i*pi) = -1 = time * velocity
  485. [22:54] <bossbear> the well is this equation then
  486. [22:54] <bossbear> what you call a well i call a sophere
  487. [22:54] <Miles_Teg> it's the wirlpool,
  488. [22:54] <bossbear> but if it ritates
  489. [22:54] <bossbear> or spins
  490. [22:54] <bossbear> then the effect is a torroid
  491. [22:54] <bossbear> like a well
  492. [22:54] <bossbear> its a dipole
  493. [22:55] <bossbear> and induces other forms
  494. [22:55] <Miles_Teg> the 'geometrical' figure I propose for analogy is that of the gravitational collapse
  495. [22:55] <bossbear> but within the sphere coud be a well
  496. [22:55] <bossbear> gravity is 4 dimensional
  497. [22:56] <bossbear> there is none at D61
  498. [22:56] <bossbear> D^1
  499. [22:56] <bossbear> so if tyhats what you mean by collapse, then yes
  500. [22:56] <bossbear> well, force is 4 dimnaional
  501. [22:56] <bossbear> gravity is 10 and 20
  502. [22:57] <Miles_Teg> the entire thing must be built, bossbear
  503. [22:57] <bossbear> i habe all the dtrucure equations
  504. [22:58] <Miles_Teg> you are describing the built unverse
  505. [22:58] <bossbear> its was induced in its enirety
  506. [22:58] <Miles_Teg> it must hold indeed
  507. [22:58] <bossbear> like a thought
  508. [22:58] <bossbear> boom
  509. [22:58] <bossbear> like when you have a thought
  510. [22:58] <bossbear> does it grow?
  511. [22:58] <bossbear> no
  512. [22:58] <Miles_Teg> boom of what?
  513. [22:58] <bossbear> thought
  514. [22:58] <bossbear> with an order
  515. [22:59] <bossbear> from the ouside you hthought has no energy
  516. [22:59] <bossbear> when you fream it does
  517. [22:59] <bossbear> dream
  518. [22:59] <Miles_Teg> I need only the soup
  519. [22:59] <bossbear> all poiunts of space are the origin
  520. [22:59] <bossbear> soup?
  521. [22:59] <bossbear> like what makes everything?
  522. [23:00] <Miles_Teg> that seems unavoidable, the fabric is explicity or implicity in all and every cosmogony
  523. [23:00] <bossbear> the energuy that makes all thngs is 1-0
  524. [23:00] <Miles_Teg> you can think the fabric as the aether
  525. [23:00] <bossbear> arranged in various forms
  526. [23:01] <bossbear> the binary code of 1-0 always results in 1
  527. [23:01] <bossbear> but the arrangement produces time and velocity
  528. [23:01] <bossbear> wihin 1 or d
  529. [23:01] <bossbear> imagine a sphere
  530. [23:01] <Miles_Teg> U don't dare to tell it openly and surely can't test or prove it at this point but the model does not only allows as claims our universe is only one of many bubbles there
  531. [23:01] <bossbear> contaning two spheres or networkls of 1-0
  532. [23:02] <Miles_Teg> sorry, I menat I, not U above
  533. [23:02] <bossbear> none have ever said what eulers equatin is, i say its the big bang with mathmeatical justification
  534. [23:03] <bossbear> the 1 is d
  535. [23:03] <bossbear> -1 is -d
  536. [23:03] <bossbear> in d is t and v
  537. [23:03] <bossbear> and 1 and zero being the limiits is a binary code
  538. [23:03] <bossbear> so there musdt be two networks that are revese imade in d
  539. [23:04] <Miles_Teg> the reason the interval model (the formant duals concept) was thinked just because I could not accept the boom
  540. [23:04] <bossbear> well then its correct
  541. [23:04] <bossbear> no boom
  542. [23:04] <Miles_Teg> I don't see monads in the entire universe, only intervals
  543. [23:04] <bossbear> just an interval from outside to indsdie
  544. [23:04] <bossbear> the interval is "="
  545. [23:05] <Miles_Teg> I see all the focus as products of the interval
  546. [23:05] <bossbear> tranfirmation in eulers equation
  547. [23:05] <bossbear> the interval is symmetry
  548. [23:05] <bossbear> makes ense?
  549. [23:06] <Miles_Teg> I'm not sure to have gropped the meaning yet
  550. [23:06] <bossbear> when you see an equation
  551. [23:06] <bossbear> everything means something
  552. [23:06] <Miles_Teg> I can't allow equations at this point in my reasoning
  553. [23:06] <bossbear> the = means symmetry
  554. [23:07] <bossbear> the 1 means balance
  555. [23:07] <bossbear> 0 means unity
  556. [23:07] <bossbear> you say thre is no boom, you are right
  557. [23:07] <Miles_Teg> they could not hold, the dimensions are yet to be born, the discretes are yet to be born
  558. [23:07] <bossbear> like a magnetic field, the universe was induced
  559. [23:07] <Miles_Teg> the finite, the quantum, I mean by discrete
  560. [19:07] <bossbear> they are born outside the uniuverse
  561. [19:07] <bossbear> operaots ouside interat to induce the discrete here
  562. [19:07] <bossbear> operators
  563. [19:07] <bossbear> pi is a variable outside the universe
  564. [19:07] <bossbear> and induces the discrete here
  565. [19:08] <bossbear> induce 1 or d
  566. [19:08] <bossbear> thats the birth
  567. [19:08] <bossbear> eulers equation
  568. [19:08] <Miles_Teg> I propose they are the 'center' of the interval, it's always, the value dictated by the speed it happens
  569. [19:08] <Miles_Teg> they are unities there
  570. [19:08] <bossbear> the interval or = is 0
  571. [19:09] <bossbear> or 1
  572. [19:09] <bossbear> no speed
  573. [19:09] <bossbear> point of transformation
  574. [19:09] <Miles_Teg> the interval by definition is what is between the 0 and infinite
  575. [19:09] <bossbear> speed is on the birth side
  576. [19:09] <Miles_Teg> that's how I see it
  577. [19:09] <bossbear> yes
  578. [19:10] <bossbear> zero and 1
  579. [19:10] <bossbear> but to the outside the infnite
  580. [19:10] <bossbear> correct
  581. [19:10] <Miles_Teg> the unity is it's center, always, the unity does not need to be the natural 1
  582. [19:10] <bossbear> unity is the perimeter
  583. [19:10] <bossbear> 1 is the center
  584. [19:10] <Miles_Teg> indeed no discrete exist before so it can be collected, form sets or be added
  585. [19:11] <bossbear> we are very similar then
  586. [19:11] <bossbear> just off in semantics
  587. [19:12] <Miles_Teg> before I can measure in lenght and time I need distance and time to be born
  588. [19:12] <bossbear> yes
  589. [19:12] <Miles_Teg> only after that I can have quantum
  590. [19:12] <bossbear> in eulers equation
  591. [19:12] <bossbear> the -1 is distance and time
  592. [19:12] <bossbear> true
  593. [19:13] <Miles_Teg> velocity holds in that model as definition of the values discretes get
  594. [19:14] <Miles_Teg> it allows for any number of dimensions include none
  595. [19:14] <Miles_Teg> including none I meant
  596. [19:15] <Miles_Teg> none being scalar, non dimensional, perfectly ordinary numbers
  597. [19:15] <Miles_Teg> but it must hold for dimensional (vectorized) quantities too
  598. [19:15] <Miles_Teg> if not, the building is wrong
  599. [19:16] <bossbear> there are 2 equations
  600. [19:16] <bossbear> v+t = 1 is sclalar
  601. [19:16] <bossbear> V*t = -1 is proper
  602. [19:16] <bossbear> thise from eulers equation derive all equations
  603. [19:17] <bossbear> which relates to phi * phihat and phi + phihat
  604. [19:17] <bossbear> the keysd to the universe
  605. [19:17] <bossbear> theres your birth
  606. [19:17] <bossbear> and all compoexity from simplicity
  607. [19:18] <Miles_Teg> probably, but I call the attention for the inermost meaning of this unities model
  608. [19:18] <bossbear> gresat cinversayion
  609. [19:18] <bossbear> but i have to take a break
  610. [19:18] <Miles_Teg> it claims every finite must be equidistant of the extremes
  611. [19:18] <bossbear> shall return in three hours
  612. [19:19] <bossbear> thank you
  613. [19:19] <bossbear> wrere are you anyway?
  614. [19:19] <Miles_Teg> me too, you are welcome
  615. [19:19] <bossbear> im in the usa
  616. [19:19] <bossbear> you there or in europe?
  617. [19:19] <Miles_Teg> Brazil
  618. [19:19] <bossbear> entao, obrigado
  619. [19:19] <bossbear> :)
  620. [19:19] <Miles_Teg> ohh, it's not common, thank you
  621. [19:20] <Miles_Teg> see you later
  622. [19:20] <bossbear> i speak a littrle portuguese
  623. [19:20] <bossbear> thank you
  624. [19:20] <Miles_Teg> probably better than I speak english :)
  625. [19:22] <Miles_Teg> I have been thinking what I call a cosmogony for decades now
  626. [19:22] <Miles_Teg> it forced me to rethink many concepts I got as stablished before
  627. [19:23] <Miles_Teg> not the old concepts were wrong, but they were misleading and confuse and confounding
  628. [19:24] <Miles_Teg> the zero itself was the single most difficult to separate from it's meaning as a point, an origin, the void or abscense
  629. [19:25] <Miles_Teg> so, I'd rather call it by another name
  630. [19:26] <Miles_Teg> because that zero, the complementar of infinite is itself a field, where that last is the whole it's the every
  631. [19:26] <Miles_Teg> or all
  632. [19:27] <Miles_Teg> both perpeates the entire universe and contain it in the form of theirs interval
  633. [19:27] <Miles_Teg> they are omnipresent but never touched by anything in the universe
  634. [19:28] <Miles_Teg> both (or the interval BTW) is where all the finites can exist, and they can exist only as unities under the interval view point
  635. [19:30] <Miles_Teg> and as such all finites are at equal distance from the interval's extremes, but it is obvious since the unity is the center of that interval, always, for any and every unity
  636. [19:32] <Miles_Teg> the concept of interval is so strong and universal that it holds for everything, not only in the physics but the entire philosophy, from the tech to the humanist
  637. [19:35] <Miles_Teg> one may think the beauty as holding by itself but that can't hold, beauty is an interval we place things we deem somewhere inbetween ugly-beaultiful
  638. [19:38] <Miles_Teg> if was to me to create a symbol for the fundamentals I could not create a better one than that Yin-Yang symbol I think everbody saw although (maybe) not attempting to it's meaning
  639. [19:39] <Miles_Teg> it's that circle (the thing) composed by two formants (the internal 'drops) represented by contrasting colors... and more
  640. [19:41] <Miles_Teg> each drop with a "dot" of the other... this simbol show the dualistic nature of interval formants where each thing carries parts of the two and more, it's recursive, represente by the drops in the formants themselves
  641. [19:44] <Miles_Teg> this concept is the sine quae non for the CH (don't ask about this name), a cosmogony, hence the C there but not a cosmology or a theory at this point.
  642. [19:46] <Miles_Teg> that concept of formant dualities goes deep, to the very genesis of the universe, it describes how matter and energy can't be see as insulated things, they are born in complementar pairs.
  643. [19:48] <Miles_Teg> I call the attention for the expression "are born", we can't and shouldn't rely on preexistent something other than the fabric itself. We don't need preexistent matter do go boom
  644. [19:50] <Miles_Teg> as a byproduct, that complementar nature holds that changes in one must reflect in the other
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  646. [19:52] <Miles_Teg> should not be surprise so as 'later' we find the universe holds some limits that can't be broken by physical bodies... trying to change it's intrinsic velocity changes the interval itself
  647. [19:55] <Miles_Teg> movement is a dragging process into the interval, not a sliding, and will not be a surprise anymore approaching such physical limits provoques fierce reaction from the complementar
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  650. [19:56] <Miles_Teg> in the space time mass will grow with the velocity nearing C while the time shrinks in proportion
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  653. [20:36] <W_4RL0CK> hi
  654. [20:44] <eh_bing> hi
  655. [21:05] <W_4RL0CK> someone is here ?
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  657. [21:15] <eh_bing> yes
  658. [21:16] <eh_bing> everyone is here
  659. [21:16] <eh_bing> :p
  660. [21:24] <Tau> hi eh_bing .
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